Friday, September 12, 2025

Apropos of nothing

Poptimism - the debate that refuses to go away, yet never goes anywhere. Deadlocked, yet churning. 

The recent rechurn stirred up memories of the fierce arguments of the early 2000s - 20-plus years ago! 

Supposedly, during these initially amiable, soon adversarial blog back-and-forths, it was me that came up with the term "poptimist".  Probably not true, in fact - but certainly I was an early adopter.

Now one of the things that always mystified me back then was this idea that taking pop seriously was some sort of radically new gesture, a daring step forward into Enlightenment, leaving behind the Bad Old Days when Rockism had our minds in chains.

It always felt like a myth, this idea that before the pro-pop insurgency of the 2000s, music journalists universally treated pop with disdain; that there was never any enthusiasm or respect for artists operating in the commercial mainstream, no serious discussion of chartpop. 

I don't think this was even true in America, where generalism had long been a fairly established mode. But I know for sure that in the U.K. it was an utterly commonplace occurrence. For certain writers, it was a shtick, a specialist territory they set themselves up in. For others, it would be part of having a well-rounded approach to being both a fan/consumer and a commentator/thinker. 

So let's take a little journey into the Not-So-Dark Ages before poptimism came along to sort everything out. 



In the Nineties, on the UK music press, you often had people writing excited pieces about R&B, or all that Eurobeat pop-dance (Snap, etc). Sometimes, admittedly, with a contrarian, look-at-me aspect, to them. But the reason that that was irritating, from my point of view, was because there was absolutely nothing audaciously against-the-grain about taking a pro-pop position - either with specific instances of pop or the entire field. That  move was already well established, had an extensive history...



In the Eighties, New Pop emerged right at the start of the decade. There were two ideas here: that 

A/ it was cool and valid to "go pop" (the move made by ABC, Scritti Politti, New Order, Style Council, et al), and that

 B/ pop already contained great stuff  (all the glorious disco-funk of the era, for starters, but also things like Dollar, the mascot group for New Pop ideologues, the Annie/Robyn of their day ... You would even get writers sticking up for Bucks Fizz). 

New Pop thinking was virtually hegemonic on the rock press for some years, although it's true that the readership was not as taken with it as the writers. It's worth recalling that the term  "rockism" itself was coined in 1980, by Pete Wylie of Wah!, as a sort of auto-critique from within postpunk rock culture. It was propagated energetically by Paul Morley and others, and rapidly became the mindset of perhaps a score or more critics working on the rock weeklies and the new style magazines (where anti-rockism became dogma).  (I won't bring Smash Hits into the discussion - its only innovation was that arch, taking-nothing-too-seriously mode). 

NME's Richard Cook with a rave review for ABBA's best-of (1982)

But in the second half of the Eighties, even when there was a backlash within the rock weeklies and the post-postpunk scene against pop gloss -  a return to indie / underground values, to harder-darker and more abrasive music - the pro-pop move remained a stock critical maneuver. I remember colleagues speaking up for Aha, or Curiosity Killed the Cat, or Mel & Kim...  Pet Shop Boys were widely lauded... Everyone liked Janet Jackson...   I'm sure I made that move a few times myself. 

As for black music, it was very much on the inkie weeklies menu  - hip hop, funk, reggae, a bit of R&B, some jazz... African music in quite a big way. Even Sounds covered reggae regularly and surprisingly thoroughly, given its image as an Oi! / heavy metal paper..


















































































































































In the Seventies - the period that you'd probably imagine to be the absolute darkest age of rockism - the UK music press was actually catholic and remarkably comprehensive in its coverage. The weeklies conceived of themselves as music newspapers (Melody Maker, in the early 70s, was based in Fleet Street) with an interest (in both senses of the word) in reporting and analysing everything. It was their job. So Melody Maker - according to received wisdom the "progressive paper" - would routinely cover things like Osmondmania, David Cassidy, the Jackson Five, Isaac Hayes, early disco, etc, with depth, intelligence, and respect - alongside all the things you'd expect (Hatfield and the North, Steeleye Span,  Nucleus). One week, there'd be a centre spread on Stockhausen or Sun Ra; the next a 4000 word investigation into the top producers of teenybop, or a report on the new boom for fan clubs. 





























Oh look, this has just popped up at Rock's Back Pages - the late Colin Irwin, who did the folk column in Melody Maker, does a report on the funk scene at clubs like Lacy Lady and with deejays like Chris Hill (RIP). This is in 1976, three or four full years before Danny Baker would make much rhetorical hay at NME out of how the true working class Britfunk scene isn't A Certain Ratio / Gang of Four but the jazz-funk scene with its All-Dayers and Weekenders as hosted by Hill and other jocks. 

Both NME and Melody Maker reported on Northern Soul - Sounds I'm almost certain did too. "If it moves, cover it".

MM's Richard Williams wrote circa 1976 one of the most perceptive pieces about dub reggae and its revolutionary implications. 








































































































































































There were also individual writers who -  as the Richard Williams Melody Maker rave review of Gary Glitter below shows -   would sometimes put forth the against-the-grain arguments so familiar to us from the poptimistic kerfuffle of the 2000s.  

The NME was just as expansive: even during the sombre height of postpunk, they'd run cover stories on Michael Jackson and Giorgio Moroder, big features on Earth Wind and Fire and Chic...  as mentioned Danny Baker's enthused reports on the UK's burgeoning jazz-funk scene... passionate and informed coverage of reggae from roots 'n' dub to lover's rock ...  an appreciation of Abba... 

I'm not so familiar with the US rock press of the 1970s but I have seen a fair few issues of Creem, and in there you will find writers making arguments celebrating, say, The Sweet, in terms of pure pop excitement, brilliantly effective if  manufactured thrills, etc.  









































In the Sixties... well, rock criticism is nascent and unformed at that point, so I'm not sure there's a rock/pop divide clearly marked such that people could dramatise themselves around it. People tended to use 'rock' and 'pop' interchangeably.  

Still, there is an argument  for seeing Nik Cohn as the Original Poptimist, albeit a gloomy one in so far as he thinks Pop's energy flash and pulp heroics have been stifled by the pompous self-seriousness of Rock

It is notable that the first two major youth-music books by British writers both use the word "pop" in their titles: Cohn's Pop From the Beginning, and George Melly's Revolt Into Style: The Pop Arts. Also worth noting, as regards differences between the UK and the USA: Cohn's book was retitled for the American market as Rock From the Beginning








































Perhaps the battle the poptimists keep on fighting is a America-specific problem that regenerates itself perennially;  whereas the battle never needed to be fought in the U.K. in so far as pop has historically not - most of the time -  been a dirty word, a synonym for phony and fabricated - at least for most sensible people. 

So, essentially, the pro-pop approach - in both its attention-seeking mode and conscientious fair-minded generalist mode - has a history going back over fifty years, at least - possibly longer.  

It's easy to see why the notion of a Dark Ages would be appealing, should you fancy seeing yourself - or  being seen - as a light-bringer, someone on the side of Right: boldly rectifying longstanding injustices, and breaking new intellectual ground in the process too ...  

But this narrative is, to a startling degree, a myth. 






































Williams making the "don't knock the greasy kids's stuff" move - and even in '72, far from the first to do it.

the trash aesthete move - Glitter can't be denied "except by impossible snobs who lack any real feeling for rubbish"

"he does it to those kids in just the way they want it done" is unfortunate language, with hindsight... 







































Prototype Thoughts on Melody Maker (late 60s / early 70s incarnation) as the Original Poptimist Paper (or at least, the Original Generalist Paper). The key general point is this, which possibly explains the rise of poptimism at the start of the 2000s as a response to a narrowing of focus in the UK music press (coupled also with the rise of a Pitchfork in its then indie-ist form): 

... By the mid-90s, music magazine publishing had fragmented so much that this kind of catholic comprehensiveness was no longer tenable. When the music weeklies didn't have hardly any rivals, they could cover rock but also its adjacent genres - soul, dance, etc. But as time went by they got less and less benefit from these attempts at being comprehensive. Their core readership wasn't interested, or was actively turned off; meanwhile, the genre-ist fans gravitated towards the the genre-ist magazines.

....It's considered righteous for people to criticise NME.... or the early, pre-reformed Pitchfork for their failures to cover certain genres, or when they did cover them, lambast them for doing it in a tokenistic way, or for imposing their own rockist biases. Failing to "understand them on their own terms".... 

But you never got hordes of rocktimists railing against The Source or Vibe for their failure to cover Queens of the Stone Age or Arcade Fire, did you?    Nobody ever expected Smash Hits to take on Terrorizer or The Wire type music. No one thinks less of Mixmag and DJ for their lack of "engagement" with indie.  Did Blues and Soul ever put MBV on its front cover, like MM put Bobby Brown on its?...  

It was totally fine for all those magazines to base their coverage on calculations about what their market was, what their readership was interested in.  Yet the accusation of incomplete catholicity always get leveled at the rock magazines. The onus is on rock criticism. 












14 comments:

  1. Why did the poptimism debate re-surface a few months ago? There were a lot of BlueSky posts which seemed to be reacting to something, but I could never find out exactly what.

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    1. There was a piece by Kelefa Sanneh in the New Yorker about 'whatever happened to rock critics being mean?' - and one of its arguments was that Poptimism was to blame.

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  2. I think you've ignored a central plank of the contemporary poptimism debate. It's not simply a praising of pop, as opposed to rock. Much of the pop of the 60s, 70s and 80s has been defended on grounds acceptable to rockists (e.g., the harmonies and orchestration of the Beach Boys, the double-drum stomp of Gary Glitter (an argument that doesn't get much airing nowadays), the wordplay of ABC). However, the current argument of poptimism is that the most authentic, honest appreciation of popular music comes from the platonic teenage girl, who likes songs just if they sound good to her. That is, current poptimism values prominent, major-chords melodies, it sees immediate accessibility as a virtue, it favours emotional primary colours, and it fancies one of the members who just dances around a bit at the back.

    In short, I humbly suggest that the argument you've made here is too broad to be that relevant to the present debate.

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    1. There's two kinds of poptimism.

      One is the generalist strand, which is saying "we should decenter rock and give equal time and respect to other genres - R&B, dance music, country, international sounds etc. At the same time we should interrogate the baked-in assumptions of value in rock criticism (the gritty, the real, the distorted, the raw etc) that cause it to sniff at smoother, pleasanter, well-produced sounds designed for relaxation and comfort (say Quiet Storm R&B). So it's opening up criticism not just to teenage sounds but to more adult and middle-aged sort of genres.

      And then the other strand of poptimism is as you say the side that isn't so interested in impartiality but exhibits a marked prejudice in favor of the bouncy, the instant, the catchy, the glossy, the sweet to the ear. This is the strand that loves girl groups and boy groups and then started to look further afield for its sugar-high and fastened on K-pop. And as a creative extension of this kind of poptimism there was the label PC Music and all the hyperpop that followed in its wake.

      Trust me, I'm well aware of the apotheosis of the teengirl as the Ultimate Pop Consumer and the odd syndrome of middle aged men wanting to place themselves within that subjectivity.

      There's always been critics who celebrated the pure fun essence of teenpop and appreciated the undeniable products that came out of the hit factories. I can't imagine anyone sensible in the 1960s rejecting the Shangri-Las or the Spector girl groups, or Motown - in part because it was so close to the Beatles and all the Brit beat stuff. It was some of what those groups drew on even as they started to get artier and cleverer.

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    2. I accept that there are two strands to the term. But doesn't the first definition boil down essentially to just an appeal against prejudice and a call for eclecticism? And as you point out, the supposed prejudice against pop et al among the music press was (up to the 90s) largely a myth (looking up the NME's reviews of the Sex Pistols' singles, Roy Carr said that Pretty Vacant was as momentous as, among others, Dancing in the Street; the review to Holidays in the Sun criticises the song's lack of "POP").

      But a call for greater tolerance seems rather matter-of-fact (well, I'd hope so, but the scenes in London today...). As such, I tend to view the other definition of poptimism as more interesting to discuss. As you said, it's an appeal for prejudice, and for a tutored embrace of the untutored. Similarly, rockism may have started as a disparagement, but nowadays it's oft worn with pride, a declaration of the belief that rock should be at the centre of music. There's definitely a lot more that deserves to be written about such wilful ghettoisations of genres, especially since, in my view, it's largely the fans erecting such barriers: metal, dance, country, hip-hop/RnB (the level of crossover between the two leads one to treat the two as interlinked), indie and pop all have battalions of fans seeking to build walls around their precious tastes. Witness the rise of the genre-specific music mag, the NME letters page stuffed with rage at the placement of Public Enemy on the cover, the mongrelism of country licks incorporated into songs being replaced by the compartmentalised one-off album of just country, Tommy Vance's Friday Rock Hour, and the all-too-frequent, all-too-common attempts at bragging whereby, say, a hard house fan tries to convince you of their unpredictability by saying that they also like some Bob Marley songs. I suppose I'm saying that right now, the generalised definition of poptimism has receded, and the specialised definition of poptimism exemplifies today's worrying trend towards parochialism.

      And with regard to the middle-aged men you mentioned, along with "odd", do you also mean "creepy"? That's the sense I got when I read that sentence.

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    3. One thing about fans - especially young fans - is that they are not impartial. They are partisans for the things they are into. And they are partial to certain things, to the exclusion of other things. Fans - whether of pop, or metal, or techno - are not particularly tolerant. They love whatever it is they love and they dislike other things to the extent to which they lack the properties of the thing is they are obsessed with.

      Fan after all does come from the word 'fanatic'. It's bound up with a love/hate psychology.

      This does wear off with age and by middle age people naturally start being more eclectic - but that indexes to a general fading away of the capacity for fervor. A certain stolidity creeps in. (Well, I say that, but often in middle age music fans just narrow down to the hard core of what they already like and stick with it. But in my case, I've become more open-minded as I've mellowed).

      One thing I find funny about all these armies of fans who harass critics when they dare to say something mildly critical about Taylor Swift or Beyonce or whoever, is that in real life, consumers are totally bitchy about stuff. If a film or a TV show or a musical performer seems shit to them, they express it vehemently, no holds barred. Actually not just on the sofa at home, but in online chat, fan-consumers are totally harsh, like a Julie Burchill singles column in NME circa 1979. But somehow critics are supposed to turn that off and be fair minded and tempered and neutral in tone.

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  3. Thanks for this! I was already infuriated by people claiming that using “rockist” as an insult was invented in 2005. Even worse to hear people identifying it as a new thing in 2025!

    Your mention of Pitchfork is important, I think. You will meet some Americans who will say “the media”, when what they really mean is the New York Times. (Some of my best friends, etc…) It seems like a lot of people at that time said “rock critics”, when what they really meant was Pitchfork.

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  4. One poptimist argument that has been fully justified since the 80s, I think, is the resistance to that habit of using “rock” as a synonym for “pop”. There is an expansionist trend in Old Wave criticism, which I associate most of all with Rolling Stone, that likes to see all popular music as part of rock’s rich tapestry. So we see Emmylou Harris, Joni Mitchell, Earth Wind and Fire, Bob Marley, the Temptations and Stevie Wonder all described as “rock”. And hence judged by rock’s critical standards.

    One of Joe Carducci’s great contributions to the culture is to insist on rock as a genre in its own right, separate from but as valid as jazz or folk, with its own distinct traditions, qualities and standards for excellence.

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    1. I think Rolling Stone was predicated on that idea from the start - they covered black music and singer-songwriters as well as rock in the Carducci sense. (Actually, from Carducci's perspective, Rolling Stone neglected rock - didn't appreciate Sabbath as innovators). There is among a certain strand of American rock critics this idea of rock & roll as an expansive category that includes the black music that either fueled or ran alongside it. So doowop, soul, blues, etc.... Reggae was seen as just a Jamaican lopsided version of it - helped by Toots and the Maytals resemblance to Sam & Dave, and by Marley as a Dylan-like figure.

      And there is some truth to this idea. I was listening to a Minnie Riperton song 'Come Inside My Love' and thinking actually it's not that far from Fleetwood Mac.

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    2. Also a lot of black artists then would have welcomed and felt liberated by being treated as auteurs. Stevie Wonder is a case in point - he churned out something like 12 albums in the Motown hit factory, many of them full of cover versions of standards and pop slop (and tunes written by his producer) and then he finally breaks free with a new contract with himself as solely responsible for production etc. Getting put on the cover of Rolling Stone and treated as a seer with Important Things to Say was totally what he wanted. Same goes for Gaye, Mayfield, Minnie Riperton too. So in that case the Rockist Framework is not an imposition.

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    4. The impression I get from Andrew Hickey’s podcast ‘A History of Rock Music in 500 Songs’ is that Carducci’s version of rock (mostly white dudes playing guitars and writing their own songs) is retrospective and ahistorical. In the late fifties and early sixties, r&b, early soul, and girl group pop were all referred to as ‘rock and roll’. Muhammad Ali called Sam Cooke the greatest rock and roll singer in the world, and the Shangri-Las called themselves rock and roll singers. Elvis called Fats Domino, a pianist, the real king of rock and roll. The Beatles covered Motown songs and played gigs with girl groups. Meanwhile the Stones and the Animals called themselves blues bands!

      I suppose rock and rock & roll are two different, overlapping things. But which is better - the expansionist definition, or the exclusive one? I don’t know. I suppose the expansionist version is only problematic when it places white guitar bands/singer-songwriters at its centre and judges everything else against those.

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    5. Yes I think "rock" in the Carducci sense is the breakaway strand from a much loosely defined formation of music that includes all those things.

      It would be wrong to describe it as a narrowing, because it opens up into prog and punk and metal and a whole plethora of directions. Postpunk, etc. It's a path of intensification, complexification, etc

      But there is a loss of the " n' roll" . Punk is a huge break where the residual swing 'n' shuffle of blues-based rock is flattened.

      Some of these later developments like postpunk and post-rock are at least in some cases reconnecting with the various black musics. but reconnecting after the big gap caused by punk - so it's more of a reach, in a way.

      Whereas in the pre-punk rock of the Seventies it's more organic, there's a greater proximity to black music.

      Its remarkable how close to black music so much of the pre-punk 70s rock action is - either because it's still so rooted in blues, etc, or because the artists are checking out the latest developments in post-soul music, funk, etc. I always bring up Foghat featuring a slap bass solo in "Slow Ride" as an example. They must have heard Larry Graham and thought 'that's cool'. Their whole thing is rooted in bluesy boogie but they decided to add something more recently developed.

      But the Stones are a great example with their drawing from funk, disco, reggae. Rod Stewart going disco makes total 'mod' sense.

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  5. I wish I knew more about the specifics of the revived debate. But I did read Sanneh's New Yorker piece, so I'll throw in that I think what he missed: the trend toward "softness" is less about pendulum-swings between Poptimists and Rockists and more about a broader change in technology and culture. Increasingly, popular (can we say "mainstream" anymore?) journalism of all kinds, including culture criticism, are transforming into advertising and PR channels. Any writing which runs counter to that risks incurring the fury of the megacorporations, which can shut off access to their carefully-managed assets, or the fans, who in the case of bigger artists can turn into angry mobs.

    I was baffled that Sanneh ends the piece saying he didn't want to knock the new Lada Gaga release because, hey, maybe it would grow on him. Well, okay. But a reader of his article might also conclude he wouldn't bash Gaga because of the examples he himself cited of other critics facing incendiary, sometimes personally threatening blowback from angry fans. Each new review of a big-name artist is an open trap. A hill to die on. Why bother when you can go with the flow?

    And for the smaller names? Surely every critic today probably feels it an unconscionable act of brutality to pan music made by artists who cannot earn a living wage and will within six months become a profitless blip in the algorithm.

    I'm probably catastrophizing, because 2025, but I just think the material conditions of the music scene are influencing what's being written far more than shifts in critical thinking, interesting though they may be.

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